| Late Lionel State Sets |
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Urban Legends:
I was fortunate to find the "North Woods" set in December 2004. A family in the middle of Wisconsin. Lucky kid -- a rare four-car Ivory-windowed set -- the 414 Illinois car was added as a "separate sale" car to his three-car 409E set since its roof does not match the other three cars (light ventilators). Yet this 414 is a late one with rivet-detailed ends and brass journals. |
| Number | Roof | End | Oil | Box and Tape Notes | ||
| Location | Vents | Rivets | Journals | Label | (RS means Rubber Stamped) | |
| Wagner's North Woods Set | ||||||
| 381E -- Tall Flag Poles | ||||||
| 412 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Brass | No | |
| 413 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Brass | No | |
| 416 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | No | Brass | No | |
| 414 Ivory Windows | Right | Light | Yes | Brass | Small | Likely ordered as an add-on. |
| Above is the way the set was found. Two of the dark ventilator roofs had been poorly repainted. No boxes. So I bought a three-car Ivory-windowed set for its roofs and boxes. To see the results, click 2009 Photos | ||||||
| Martin Folb's 433E Set $260,000 -- likely a service station's special order from the Lionel factory | ||||||
| 433E Set Box | Dated 1932 -- 1933 tape | |||||
| 400E-400TW Black |
Semi-gloss Black incl. boiler bands Boxes -- no RS dated 1936 -- 1936 tape |
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| 412 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Brass | No | 1933 tape on box with
no end label RS 412 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY |
| 413 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Brass | No | 1933 tape on box with
no end label RS 413 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY |
| 414 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Brass | No | 1933 tape on box with
no end label RS 414 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY |
| 416 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Brass | No | 1933 tape on box with
no end label RS 416 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY |
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| Stout partial repaint set | ||||||
| 381E-412-413-416 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Brass | |||
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| Number | Roof | End | Oil | Box and Tape Notes | ||
| Location | Vents | Rivets | Journals | Label | (RS means Rubber Stamped) | |
| Stout set -- tail light added | ||||||
| 412 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Cast | ? | Plain
tape on box (1931) with end label RS 412 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY |
| 413 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Cast | ? | Plain
tape on box (1931) with end label RS 413 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY |
| 416 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | No | Brass | ? | Plain
tape on box (1931) with end label RS 416 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY |
| 433E Set from 1931 | ||||||
| 400E Black (1931 type w snivvies, not stanchions, on hand rails) | ||||||
| 412 Ivory Windows | Right | Light | Yes | Cast | No | Plain tape on box (1931) |
| 413 Ivory Windows | Right | Light | Yes | Cast | No | Plain tape on box (1931) |
| 416 Ivory Windows | Right | Light | Yes | Brass | No | Plain tape on box (1931) |
| 409E Set from 1931 (eBay 3/31/2008) | ||||||
| 381E -- Tall Flags | Plain tape on box (1931) with
no end label One large insert w flaps |
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| 412 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Cast | No | Plain
tape on box (1931) -- no end label RS 412 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY |
| 413 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Cast | No | Plain
tape on box (1931) -- no end label RS 413 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY |
| 416 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Brass | No | Plain
tape on box (1931) -- no end label RS 416 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle IVORY |
| Original Owner Set from 1932 (York parking lot 2001) | ||||||
| 381U -- Hand reverse | Loco box stamped 381U and dated 1932 | |||||
| 412 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Cast | No | Cars just like the two sets above |
| 413 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Cast | No | |
| 416 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Brass | No | |
| Gary was offered: | ||||||
| 381E Tall Flags -- 409E Set Box | 381E Box -- common Red/Green Train Tape | |||||
| 412 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Brass | No | 1934
Orange tape on box RS 412 SPEC. GREEN -- No subtitle |
| 413 Ivory Windows | Right | Light | Yes | Cast | No | 1934
Orange tape on box RS 413 SPEC. GREEN -- No subtitle |
| 416 Ivory Windows | Right | Dark | Yes | Brass | No | 1934
Orange tape on box RS 416 SPEC. GREEN -- No subtitle |
| Note: By 1934, all Green state cars had Ivory windows so a rubber-stamped subtitle was no longer needed. | ||||||
| But note the set below. As Lionel was clearing things out, they had to subtitle some boxes P. GREEN | ||||||
| denoting what collectors today call 'Apple Green' windows. | ||||||
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| Number | Roof | End | Oil | Box and Tape Notes | ||
| Location | Vents | Rivets | Journals | Label | (RS means Rubber Stamped) | |
| Mixed set on eBay Jan. 22, 2005 | ||||||
| 381E with White Flags (Late) | Wide 1934 tape over 1929 tape | |||||
| 412
Apple Windows - Pete Factory repaint over Brown |
Right | Light | No | Brass | No | 1933
tape on box. Wagner has box. RS 412 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle P. GREEN |
| 414
Apple Windows - Wagner had another set with a 414 and no 413 |
Right | Light | Yes | Brass | No | 1933
tape on box. Wagner has car and box. RS 414 SPEC. GREEN -- subtitle P. GREEN |
| 416
Apple Windows - Wagner |
Left | Light | No | Cast | Large | 1934
tape over 1929 tape. Wagner has box. RS 412 SPEC. GREEN (no subtitle) |
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| 411E State Set Box | ||||||
| This box is from a late four-car Green 408 State Set, circa 1933. 408E-412-413-414-416. Real hard to find, click 411E | ||||||
| Ives State Set | ||||||
| Not really a State Set, but very unusual. Lionel was in bankruptcy and clearing its shelves, click DSS. | ||||||